Another tidbit that was buried in my old hard drive:

[plutherus]

"What if what they really want is us to herd children into stadiums, and put soldiers on the street, and have Americans looking over their shoulders? Bend the law, shred the Constitution a little? Because if we torture him, we do that, and everything that we have bled and fought and died for is over, and they’ve won. They’ve already won."

From the movie The Siege, released Summer 1998